New results just in provide a confirming signature for the line of Thomas and Isabella (CRAIG), Thomas being a descendant of Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE), and at 37 markers, show an exact match to the Earlston/Wanton Walls line of David and Margaret (BROWN).
Supplementary pages have been updated, including the overall chart providing a theoretical lineage 1.
Showing posts with label Thomas. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Thomas. Show all posts
Friday, September 24, 2010
Thursday, August 12, 2010
12th: Lineage 1 results added
Full 67 marker results are now in for Peter (R-12) and Jim (R-10), and show in the overall grid for the Supplementary pages.
Their individual pages have also been updated to include the genetic distances to their matches.
Still to come: the dna signature chart update to include them in the overall picture (theoretical), as the Family Tree DNA Time Predictor isn't yet showing the percentages.
We now have excellent matches between four lines in Lineage 1: that of William of Crail (with East Lothian descendants), the Runcimans of Earlston and Lauder (Wanton Walls), and now also Alexander and Janet (HENDRIE) of Meikle Pinkerton (ELN), and Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE) of Dunbar.
Mostly however they are represented by a sole participant. Distant cousins of those already in the project would be gratefully received to clarify and confirm how to link these families up for the DNA Signature.
To join the project, read the information about testing available on our summary pages on the World Families Network, and click the Order link from there to ensure that you are getting the discounts available by testing through a surname project.
Some of the lines we are particularly looking for at the moment, (but all are welcome) are shown in our Wanted! pages.
Their individual pages have also been updated to include the genetic distances to their matches.
Still to come: the dna signature chart update to include them in the overall picture (theoretical), as the Family Tree DNA Time Predictor isn't yet showing the percentages.
We now have excellent matches between four lines in Lineage 1: that of William of Crail (with East Lothian descendants), the Runcimans of Earlston and Lauder (Wanton Walls), and now also Alexander and Janet (HENDRIE) of Meikle Pinkerton (ELN), and Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE) of Dunbar.
Mostly however they are represented by a sole participant. Distant cousins of those already in the project would be gratefully received to clarify and confirm how to link these families up for the DNA Signature.
To join the project, read the information about testing available on our summary pages on the World Families Network, and click the Order link from there to ensure that you are getting the discounts available by testing through a surname project.
Some of the lines we are particularly looking for at the moment, (but all are welcome) are shown in our Wanted! pages.
Friday, August 6, 2010
6th: Lineage 1
Although only preliminary results are in for two of the new kits, Jim (R-10) and Peter (R-12), it does rather look like we have a match with Lineage 1.
The supplementary project pages now include additional lineages to reflect this.
This has also led to Alexander (marr. Janet HENDRIE) being added to the pages and an extension to the Wanted! chart for Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON), given that we now have a bit of a conundrum to solve.
Representatives for each of the suggested sons of Thomas and Jean are being sought to help clarify the dna results so far received.
The supplementary project pages now include additional lineages to reflect this.
This has also led to Alexander (marr. Janet HENDRIE) being added to the pages and an extension to the Wanted! chart for Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON), given that we now have a bit of a conundrum to solve.
Representatives for each of the suggested sons of Thomas and Jean are being sought to help clarify the dna results so far received.
Sunday, May 16, 2010
16th: Lineage 2b created
Not yet sure if we have a glitch in the Thomas & Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN line or not.
Our rep for this line is haplogroup R1b1b2 but doesn't match those participants already in that haplogroup.
The prior Lineage 2 has been renamed Lineage 2a and Thomas and Mary are now Lineage 2b.
Both supplementary and summary pages have been updated to include the new results.
Given these results, the project would really like to hear from other direct male line RUNCIMANs on any of the potentially related lines to validate this, and other signatures.
To join the project, follow the information at the Summary pages Join link.
Testing is cheaper if done via the project, and subsidies may be available for eligible candidates of particularly wanted lines.
Contact the project administrator for more information.
Our rep for this line is haplogroup R1b1b2 but doesn't match those participants already in that haplogroup.
The prior Lineage 2 has been renamed Lineage 2a and Thomas and Mary are now Lineage 2b.
Both supplementary and summary pages have been updated to include the new results.
Given these results, the project would really like to hear from other direct male line RUNCIMANs on any of the potentially related lines to validate this, and other signatures.
To join the project, follow the information at the Summary pages Join link.
Testing is cheaper if done via the project, and subsidies may be available for eligible candidates of particularly wanted lines.
Contact the project administrator for more information.
Friday, April 16, 2010
15th: Thomas & Jane (Simpson) Runciman
Read the intro for Thomas and Jane (Simpson) Runciman and make up your own mind as to whether or not there are two separate Thomas and Jane families or not.
Better still, if you are direct male-line descendant of any of the sons shown here as possible descendants, please follow the project join link and help us (dis)prove the theories (at least 37 markers, preferably 67).
Or if ineligible to join, ie not a direct male line Runciman descendant, try and find a candidate who is, and/or contribute to the kitty to help subsidise kits for wanted participants.
Better still, if you are direct male-line descendant of any of the sons shown here as possible descendants, please follow the project join link and help us (dis)prove the theories (at least 37 markers, preferably 67).
Or if ineligible to join, ie not a direct male line Runciman descendant, try and find a candidate who is, and/or contribute to the kitty to help subsidise kits for wanted participants.
Thursday, April 8, 2010
7th: Another kit at the lab
Crossed fingers for a match with one or t'other of the represented lineages and no glitches along the ancestral paths as we now have a kit in progress for the line of Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN.
Summary pages updated to reflect the kit in progress, and to include the remaining panels of Kevin (R-8)'s results (one of two matching representatives from the line of William of Crail, and an excellent match to the Earlston/Wanton Walls lines).
Check out the Wanted! pages every so often for other documented lines where direct male line RUNCIMAN representatives are needed to test assorted theories on how the lines may, or may not, link up.
Summary pages updated to reflect the kit in progress, and to include the remaining panels of Kevin (R-8)'s results (one of two matching representatives from the line of William of Crail, and an excellent match to the Earlston/Wanton Walls lines).
Check out the Wanted! pages every so often for other documented lines where direct male line RUNCIMAN representatives are needed to test assorted theories on how the lines may, or may not, link up.
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
16th: As promised
Wanted! pages now include a brief lineage for some of Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN's family, along with a linkage to Thomas' likely parents, Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN who married at Dunbar in 1783.
Monday, March 15, 2010
15th: Wanted! update
Another direct male RUNCIMAN line has been added to the Wanted! chart for Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE).
Given the recent unexpected dna match we are now even more curious as to whether or not William of Crail and Thomas married Alison GRIEVE, can be proven, or at least not disproven, to be the sons of Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN.
So, a dna candidate from any of Thomas and Alison's lines would be most welcome to join the project - subsidies may exist for a documented descendant willing to take up this challenge.
Read about dna testing in general, Family Tree DNA tests in particular, and if interested in adding more placed pieces in the RUNCIMAN jigsaw, and comfortable with the process, follow the join project links and order a test, or the webmaster links on the project pages for more information.
Tests can be as anonymous as you wish. Those showing by name on any of the above pages have agreed to be so shown, but results can be simply displayed by a kit or project number, and need not be publically linked to any particular tree.
Although we all hope that any RUNCIMAN being tested will of course match one or other of the known trees, this is by no means guaranteed.
Things happen now, have always happened in the past, and will always happen in the future to confuse family historians and genealogists. That's life.
In dna circles, a non match is usually called a NPE (non paternal event). If a non match is found, it doesn't change who you are, but may of course cause you to regard whichever of your unknown ancestors may have been responsible in a new light!!
Two other lines will be added to the Wanted! lists shortly (when time permits):
- Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) of Innerwick and Dunbar, Thomas being the son of a Thomas and Jane (possibly SIMPSON),
and also that of a Perth line,
- John and Susan (DONALDSON) RUNCIMAN of Inchture ++.
Given the recent unexpected dna match we are now even more curious as to whether or not William of Crail and Thomas married Alison GRIEVE, can be proven, or at least not disproven, to be the sons of Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN.
So, a dna candidate from any of Thomas and Alison's lines would be most welcome to join the project - subsidies may exist for a documented descendant willing to take up this challenge.
Read about dna testing in general, Family Tree DNA tests in particular, and if interested in adding more placed pieces in the RUNCIMAN jigsaw, and comfortable with the process, follow the join project links and order a test, or the webmaster links on the project pages for more information.
Tests can be as anonymous as you wish. Those showing by name on any of the above pages have agreed to be so shown, but results can be simply displayed by a kit or project number, and need not be publically linked to any particular tree.
Although we all hope that any RUNCIMAN being tested will of course match one or other of the known trees, this is by no means guaranteed.
Things happen now, have always happened in the past, and will always happen in the future to confuse family historians and genealogists. That's life.
In dna circles, a non match is usually called a NPE (non paternal event). If a non match is found, it doesn't change who you are, but may of course cause you to regard whichever of your unknown ancestors may have been responsible in a new light!!
Two other lines will be added to the Wanted! lists shortly (when time permits):
- Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) of Innerwick and Dunbar, Thomas being the son of a Thomas and Jane (possibly SIMPSON),
and also that of a Perth line,
- John and Susan (DONALDSON) RUNCIMAN of Inchture ++.
Wednesday, February 17, 2010
17th: Yet another East Lothian pedigree
Patriarchs page updated to include an outline pedigree for the line of Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN who married in 1783 at Dunbar, East Lothian.
Notes about some of the family have already been included on the Runciman One Names Study (ONS) pages.
It would seem highly likely that there is a link to Lineage 1b, the family of Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE) RUNCIMAN, given they were all around the same places at the same times.
Hopefully, there's a willing representative out there to join the dna project and prove this theory.
Click on the Join Project link to read about how to join, and to order a test (37 markers minimum, 67 preferred), after reading the background about DNA testing in general at the links on the top lhs of that page.
Testing is cheaper if you join via a project.
Notes about some of the family have already been included on the Runciman One Names Study (ONS) pages.
It would seem highly likely that there is a link to Lineage 1b, the family of Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE) RUNCIMAN, given they were all around the same places at the same times.
Hopefully, there's a willing representative out there to join the dna project and prove this theory.
Click on the Join Project link to read about how to join, and to order a test (37 markers minimum, 67 preferred), after reading the background about DNA testing in general at the links on the top lhs of that page.
Testing is cheaper if you join via a project.
Sunday, February 14, 2010
14th: Thomas & Alison (GRIEVE)
The Wanted! pages have been updated to include a dna oriented outline descendant chart for Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE) RUNCIMAN.
As stated, a participant is particularly wanted to test a theory that this line is also that of William of Crail, both being sons of Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN of Dirleton and Prestonpans.
Candidates look a little sparse on the ground at this stage.
Links are included to/from the Runciman One Name Study(ONS) as available.
Patriarchs page updated to include the outline Lineage 4 pedigree.
As stated, a participant is particularly wanted to test a theory that this line is also that of William of Crail, both being sons of Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN of Dirleton and Prestonpans.
Candidates look a little sparse on the ground at this stage.
Links are included to/from the Runciman One Name Study(ONS) as available.
Patriarchs page updated to include the outline Lineage 4 pedigree.
Friday, August 29, 2008
Aug 29, 2008: 5th kit ordered
5th kit ordered, from the line of Thomas & Isabella (LINTON) RUNCIMAN - should match the James and Agnes (HERIOT) RUNCIMAN lines, given that Thomas is their son.
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