Not yet sure if we have a glitch in the Thomas & Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN line or not.
Our rep for this line is haplogroup R1b1b2 but doesn't match those participants already in that haplogroup.
The prior Lineage 2 has been renamed Lineage 2a and Thomas and Mary are now Lineage 2b.
Both supplementary and summary pages have been updated to include the new results.
Given these results, the project would really like to hear from other direct male line RUNCIMANs on any of the potentially related lines to validate this, and other signatures.
To join the project, follow the information at the Summary pages Join link.
Testing is cheaper if done via the project, and subsidies may be available for eligible candidates of particularly wanted lines.
Contact the project administrator for more information.
Sunday, May 16, 2010
Friday, April 16, 2010
16th: Lineage 1 - theoretical dna signature chart
The Lineage 1 DNA Signature Charts page has had a very, very theoretical first cut at how to join up the two genetically linked lines of William of Crail and David who was the forebear of the Wanton Walls and Earlston line.
15th: Thomas & Jane (Simpson) Runciman
Read the intro for Thomas and Jane (Simpson) Runciman and make up your own mind as to whether or not there are two separate Thomas and Jane families or not.
Better still, if you are direct male-line descendant of any of the sons shown here as possible descendants, please follow the project join link and help us (dis)prove the theories (at least 37 markers, preferably 67).
Or if ineligible to join, ie not a direct male line Runciman descendant, try and find a candidate who is, and/or contribute to the kitty to help subsidise kits for wanted participants.
Better still, if you are direct male-line descendant of any of the sons shown here as possible descendants, please follow the project join link and help us (dis)prove the theories (at least 37 markers, preferably 67).
Or if ineligible to join, ie not a direct male line Runciman descendant, try and find a candidate who is, and/or contribute to the kitty to help subsidise kits for wanted participants.
Thursday, April 8, 2010
7th: Another kit at the lab
Crossed fingers for a match with one or t'other of the represented lineages and no glitches along the ancestral paths as we now have a kit in progress for the line of Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN.
Summary pages updated to reflect the kit in progress, and to include the remaining panels of Kevin (R-8)'s results (one of two matching representatives from the line of William of Crail, and an excellent match to the Earlston/Wanton Walls lines).
Check out the Wanted! pages every so often for other documented lines where direct male line RUNCIMAN representatives are needed to test assorted theories on how the lines may, or may not, link up.
Summary pages updated to reflect the kit in progress, and to include the remaining panels of Kevin (R-8)'s results (one of two matching representatives from the line of William of Crail, and an excellent match to the Earlston/Wanton Walls lines).
Check out the Wanted! pages every so often for other documented lines where direct male line RUNCIMAN representatives are needed to test assorted theories on how the lines may, or may not, link up.
Tuesday, March 16, 2010
16th: As promised
Wanted! pages now include a brief lineage for some of Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN's family, along with a linkage to Thomas' likely parents, Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN who married at Dunbar in 1783.
Monday, March 15, 2010
15th: Wanted! update
Another direct male RUNCIMAN line has been added to the Wanted! chart for Thomas and Alison (GRIEVE).
Given the recent unexpected dna match we are now even more curious as to whether or not William of Crail and Thomas married Alison GRIEVE, can be proven, or at least not disproven, to be the sons of Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN.
So, a dna candidate from any of Thomas and Alison's lines would be most welcome to join the project - subsidies may exist for a documented descendant willing to take up this challenge.
Read about dna testing in general, Family Tree DNA tests in particular, and if interested in adding more placed pieces in the RUNCIMAN jigsaw, and comfortable with the process, follow the join project links and order a test, or the webmaster links on the project pages for more information.
Tests can be as anonymous as you wish. Those showing by name on any of the above pages have agreed to be so shown, but results can be simply displayed by a kit or project number, and need not be publically linked to any particular tree.
Although we all hope that any RUNCIMAN being tested will of course match one or other of the known trees, this is by no means guaranteed.
Things happen now, have always happened in the past, and will always happen in the future to confuse family historians and genealogists. That's life.
In dna circles, a non match is usually called a NPE (non paternal event). If a non match is found, it doesn't change who you are, but may of course cause you to regard whichever of your unknown ancestors may have been responsible in a new light!!
Two other lines will be added to the Wanted! lists shortly (when time permits):
- Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) of Innerwick and Dunbar, Thomas being the son of a Thomas and Jane (possibly SIMPSON),
and also that of a Perth line,
- John and Susan (DONALDSON) RUNCIMAN of Inchture ++.
Given the recent unexpected dna match we are now even more curious as to whether or not William of Crail and Thomas married Alison GRIEVE, can be proven, or at least not disproven, to be the sons of Robert and Janet (SINCLAIR) RUNCIMAN.
So, a dna candidate from any of Thomas and Alison's lines would be most welcome to join the project - subsidies may exist for a documented descendant willing to take up this challenge.
Read about dna testing in general, Family Tree DNA tests in particular, and if interested in adding more placed pieces in the RUNCIMAN jigsaw, and comfortable with the process, follow the join project links and order a test, or the webmaster links on the project pages for more information.
Tests can be as anonymous as you wish. Those showing by name on any of the above pages have agreed to be so shown, but results can be simply displayed by a kit or project number, and need not be publically linked to any particular tree.
Although we all hope that any RUNCIMAN being tested will of course match one or other of the known trees, this is by no means guaranteed.
Things happen now, have always happened in the past, and will always happen in the future to confuse family historians and genealogists. That's life.
In dna circles, a non match is usually called a NPE (non paternal event). If a non match is found, it doesn't change who you are, but may of course cause you to regard whichever of your unknown ancestors may have been responsible in a new light!!
Two other lines will be added to the Wanted! lists shortly (when time permits):
- Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) of Innerwick and Dunbar, Thomas being the son of a Thomas and Jane (possibly SIMPSON),
and also that of a Perth line,
- John and Susan (DONALDSON) RUNCIMAN of Inchture ++.
Friday, March 12, 2010
12th: Fisher folk and farmer folk DO mix
DNA results just in show an excellent match between our newly represented line, that of William of Crail. The two representatives, Jim (R-7) and Kevin (R-8) are a 12/12 (so far) to each other, and Jim is showing as a 66/67 match to one of the descendants of the Wanton Walls Runcimans, and a 65/67 match to the other.
This rather ruins a theory of mine that had so far held true over various families, namely that the fisher folk and the farmer folk tended not to mix and match.
The supplementary pages have been updated to include preliminary results and links for these new findings.
Much more research and speculation is now needed to try and figure out how on earth these two genetically linked families are likely to connect in practice.
This rather ruins a theory of mine that had so far held true over various families, namely that the fisher folk and the farmer folk tended not to mix and match.
The supplementary pages have been updated to include preliminary results and links for these new findings.
Much more research and speculation is now needed to try and figure out how on earth these two genetically linked families are likely to connect in practice.
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